Everybody's a critic
4 days ago
Let them be the angry ones
Samuel "Joe" Wurzelbacher: I just wanna push it back on your listeners to go back there and find out why I would…you know…agree to something like that.
So all of you stand up and say...
PROPOSITION 8
This initiative measure is submitted to the people in accordance with the
provisions of Article II, Section 8, of the California Constitution.
This initiative measure expressly amends the California Constitution by
adding a section thereto; therefore, new provisions proposed to be added are
printed in italic type to indicate that they are new.
SECTION 1. Title
This measure shall be known and may be cited as the "California Marriage
Protection Act."
SECTION 2. Section 7.5 is added to Article I of the California Constitution,
to read:
SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized
in California.
legislative overriding of traditional cultural and religious norms.In fact such a vote is stopping the legislative branch from making any such statement in favor of or against those norms.
avowedly 'secular'redefinition. In fact it's not a definition at all. It's a refusal to define. It's an acknowledgment that a word may be defined by many groups in many ways. Still he suggests that we
let this language be something other than the language religious traditions have long claimed as their own.
redefinitionof the word marriage, he doesn't explain how a refusal to define is a redefinition. A 'No' vote doesn't redefine the word and he should be fine with that. But even if the state did allow a group to use a new definition of the word, there is no religious right to un-contradicted use of a word. In the Seventh-day Adventist religion the word baptism refers to full immersion under the water. Just today in my office a colleague was insisting that full immersion as a cleansing of sin in his religion would have to be called something else. This difference of terminology is acceptable. And should the government have any say over what is not allowed to be called a baptism? Of course not. And not even if the government was to recognize certain rights that corresponded to a religious rite of passage.
trapped in the false dichotomies of America’s culture wars.It's a valid way but it's certainly not creative. He suggests that the reasons for refusal are important. I agree. But I have to point out that the argument as he presents it is not a false dichotomy. There are decisions that truly are either for or against. And in this case the vote is not between the government should say A or B. If so, Osborn could claim a false dichotomy because the option would be available that the govt should say neither: that perhaps the government should stay silent. But here the choice is government should say A or should not say A. We can argue later whether there is something else the gov't should say but it is fair to vote on whether or not the government should say at this point that marriage is only between man and woman. For the government to say so takes away a right. A right that so far when investigated has only been objected to either on religious grounds or based on an unwillingness to respect equal rights.
Beware of cheap imitators.Then the product images still sport that classy timestamp. They're professionals.
Finally, let’s discuss the other bit of demagoguery in McCain’s most recent speeches, when he complains about the “redistribution of wealth” and equates an income tax rebate for working people with “welfare.” Leaving aside the racial subtext of those remarks, it is hard to say whether they display ignorance, dishonesty or both. The American tax system, like all other taxation in modern nations, has always redistributed wealth. Sometimes it sends streams of money upward, from low-income taxpayers into the pockets of corporate executives; at other times it sends those streams downward, to assist the very poor.
Isn't Senator Obama's comment [to Joe Wurzelbacher about spreading the wealth] a potentially crushing political blunder?
You may recognize this famous quote:From each according to his abilities. To each according to his needs.That's from Karl Marx. How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?
Are you joking? Is this a joke? Or is that a real question?
It is not hot and passionate at the appearance of what it calls its own good or bad fortune, at the union or opposition of other persons.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
semi-racist McCain-votingin opposition to
Obama-fawningand I read in that an important statement of your values. Which values you have made clear at several stages in this discussion and others. You have fought hard not to topple over for Obama. Because you don't want to stop considering. And that's what all these discussions do isn't it? It becomes a wholesale acceptance of a platform. It becomes the battle between us and them identical to good and evil. And so understanding stops. You're right. That is worth nothing. Here is why I ask you to reconsider the nature of the discussion and I ask you to consider contributing further.
You may askwhat business do you, a goy, have teaching this class on the suffering in Auschwitz?This last century has been my century. I will live the majority of my life in this century. And I must say that when I look at the world and at my own country's behaviour over my lifetime I can't say that I'm extremely proud. After reading Levi's words and and learning from his perspective, I see that he understood of the hatred and the violence that thiscame about.And as a chemist he sought to understand how outcomes could be avoided. So I say to you: What business would I have not teaching this class?
[Barack Obama] wants to take more of [Joe's] money and give it to other people according to his [own] priorities. And Joe the plumber said 'mmm' that sounds a little bit like socialism to him.
a little bit like socialism.When will the knee-jerk reaction to this word stop? It's not the same as a dictatorship. It's not the same as a fascism. It just isn't.
Yeah absolutely. We need to develop that clean coal technology. I know that Joe Biden has told the voter that 'no there is no such thing. We don't support clean coal.' No. Call him on that. Absolutely. That technology needs to be found.
We're not supporting clean coal. Guess what? China is building two every week, two dirty coal plants. And it's polluting the United States, it's causing people to die. … China's gonna burn 300 years of bad coal unless we figure out how to clean their coal up, because it's gonna ruin your lungs, and there's nothing we can do about it.
Make 'em clean.The point he makes against clean coal is that the current technology is not to be trusted. The plants are not producing clean coal even if you want to call it that. But he obviously believes that clean coal can exist. We just don't have it in hand right now.
They're in charge of the United States senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom and it's a great job and I look forward to having that job.
shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided.You can't let the title President of the Senate go to your head. It doesn't mean much.
As you can see from tonight, we're all a little chafed here about this whole "some parts of the country are real and American and other parts are not. And uh this weekend I was performing at Northeastern and I kinda had just read the statements that Sarah Palin had made about you know the pro-America parts of the country and I think I might have said in response to that I think I mighta said uh…fuck you.
And…uh…you know that's just my way of saying I think that's a profanity to say, and I was answering with a profanity. But it's not really fair and it makes it seem like…uh…I'm just addressing Governor Palin about this and I'm not. It's really this whole entire theme that there's more-American areas, or some people love the country, some people don't. So I guess what I meant to say was Fuck all yall.
I certainly agree that Northern Virginia has gone more Democratic. … But the rest of the state, uh real Virginia if you will, I think will be very responsive to Senator McCain's message.
realAmerica in an unscripted and meandering conversation. The best forms of expression don't always come right when we need them.
realsegments of the nation is to belittle the value of voices just because they're different.
We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignityto her recent comments about the
pro-Americaareas of the country, to Pfotenhauer's
real Virginiacomment, we're seeing that this isn't just a quick attempt to make a rhetorical point. It's a fixation on divisions that best serve the campaign when they are encouraged and endorsed. These lines provide a pivot point for the campaigns most vocal and energetic bases. Those who get excited when their prejudices are rewarded.
The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. “Can I interest you in the chicken?” she asks. “Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it?”
To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.
[C]alling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you’re not one.
Powell: I'm also troubled by not what Senator McCain says but what members of the party say, and it is permitted to be said. Such things as 'Well you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim.' Well the correct answer is he's not a Muslim. He's a Christian. He's always been a Christian.
But the really right answer is 'What if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country?' The answer is 'No, that's not America.' Is there something wrong with some seven-year old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?
Who would you not vote for?Her answer was gracefully dexterous.
I would not vote for someone who appeals to our lesser selves.
Grant: What is that flag that Obama's been standing in front of that looks like an American flag but instead of having the field of fifty stars representing the fifty states there's a circle? Would someone please tell me what that is. Is the circle the O for Obama? Is that what it is?
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Just like he did with the plane he was using. He had the flag…uh…painted over, and the O for Obama. Now these are symptoma— these things are symptomatic of a person who would like to be a potentate. a dictator. And I really see this in this man. Hey I could be wrong. But I wouldn't say this on this great radio station if I didn't think there was some merit in this conjecture. And I stress conjecture. And so much of what we talk about is conjecture, is theory, is opinion based on intuition based on some facts based on some history. I don't wanna over dramatize this.
I screwed uphe said. Was he admitting that it was a campaign stunt? Or was he just patronizing Dave? Either way it was a little uncomfortable there for about a minute. The line got its laugh and applause. But it was probably more from agreement than amusement.
Are they double-dating? Are they going to dinner? What are they doing? Are they driving cross-country?He made the point that Obama's connection to Bill Ayers should be no more damning that McCain's connection to G. Gordon Liddy. Letterman pressed,
You will also admit that we cannot really control who we interact with in our lives a hundred percent.
There's millions of words said in the campaign. C'mon now. C'mon, there's millions of words. There's millions of words.So… we shouldn't listen?
I watched the show in horror in the MSNBC green room. Maybe I was a bit crankier than usual: I'm still jet-lagged enough that I have been going to bed by 8:30 most nights this week ... Anyway I was unprepared for the sarcasm and anger of what I saw.
whipping Republicans and conservatives into a fury that's going to be very hard to calm after November.
Well I think you were talking…um…through much of the show about the matter of tone in our politics…um…and yet I think we are seeing an intensification of some of the ugliness of tone…um…that has been a feature of American politics in the past eight years. I mean, this show unfortunately is itself an example of&hellipof that problem [ ] with it's heavy sarcasm and…and sneering and its disregard for a lot of the substantive issues that…that really are important. um…And I would hate to see Republicans go probably into opposition sustaining this terrible cycle of unseriousness about politics: about turning it into a spectator sport. The party's going to have some important rebuilding to do. It's gonna have to do that in an intelligent way and we're all gonna have to do better than we've been doing, including in the past forty minutes.
Do you think that my tone on this show is equivalent to people calling Barack Obama uhsomebody who pals around with terroristspeople yelling from the s— people yelling from the audience at McCain/Palin ralliesbomb Obamakill himoff with his headtraitor……do you…are you accusing me of…of…of…of an equivalence in tone?
I don't think that's an important question. I think the question is, given the small por— plate of responsibility that you personally have how do you manage that responsibility. The fact that other people fail in other ways is not an excuse for you failing in your way.
unseriousnessthat leads to pleas for violence and cries of hatred. That they are different only by their respective level of ugliness. Just how do we measure that ugliness? The argument fails in part because it is attempting an aesthetic judgment where Maddow is attempting a moral an practical one.
Wow. This is hard to watch... so bad that it begins by making me furious at the guy and ends with me simply shaking my head and feeling sorry for him.
- Completely edited out Palin's introduction, when fans booed her most loudly (the booing let up a bit as her daughters took the ice).
- Edited out a 27 second stretch during which which loud boos and some applause could be heard, presumably to allow the video to jump straight to the applause after Palin dropped the puck.
- In the video FOX did show, they used very poor audio quality, making it hard to discern the boos.
Woman: I gotta ask you a question. I do not…um…believe in…I can't trust Obama.
McCain: I gotcha—
Woman: —I have read about him and he's not…he's not…he's a…um He's an Arab. He's not...
McCain: No ma'am. No ma'am.
Woman: No?
'If you want a fight, we will fight,' McCain said. 'But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments.' When people booed, he cut them off.
'I don't mean that has to reduce your ferocity,' he said. 'I just mean to say you have to be respectful.'
He had drawn boos with his comment: 'I have to tell you, he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States.'
The anti-Obama taunts and jeers are noticeably louder when McCain appears with Palin, a big draw for GOP social conservatives.
ferocityand calling it respectful at the same time. He's a poor deluded man who is lying to someone. I'm just not sure who.
it's not negative and it's not mean-spirited.
Barack Obama may have been a child when William Ayers was plotting attacks against U.S. targets - but I was one of those targets,
Barack Obama's friend tried to kill my family.
friendand the verb phrase
palling aroundis sickening. It's the same type of thoughtless stoking that leads to pleas for ignorance like Carol Platt Liebau's.
Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness.… Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?… If there is a G-d in heaven it will do neither you nor your cause any good.
I can see why you feel that cynicism and mistrust, because the system in Washington is broken.
"If you turn on the news tonight when you get home, you're gonna see that, yah, this is another woeful day in the market, and the other side just doesn't understand -- no!" she said at an afternoon fundraiser at the home of mutual fund giant Jack Donahue. "Especially in a time like this, you don't propose to increase taxes. The phoniest claim in a campaign that's full of them is that Barack Obama is going to cut your taxes."
Of course, Obama never promised to cut taxes for people at $10,000-a-plate lunches in air-conditioned tents on waterfront compounds. And the crowd -- among them New York Jets owner Woody Johnson -- reacted without applause to Palin's Joe Six-Pack lines. After they didn't strike up the usual "Drill, baby, drill" or "USA" chants, Palin, rattled, read hurriedly through the rest of her speech.
The reception had been better in Clearwater, where Palin, speaking to a sea of "Palin Power" and "Sarahcuda" T-shirts, tried to link Obama to the 1960s Weather Underground. "One of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," she said. ("Boooo!" said the crowd.) "And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,' " she continued. ("Boooo!" the crowd repeated.)
"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.
One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy.
As a young man in Hawaii, Obama had a quasi-filial relationship with radical Frank Marshall Davis – an avowed member of the Communist Party of the USA.
encountered Marxist literature.
encounterwith Marxist literature prove? That he did the assigned reading in college? That he might have brushed up against other works by evil socialists like George Orwell?
I'm making it very clear, as I have a couple of times in the past, that there's no place for that kind of campaigning, and the American people don't want it.
Our opponent though is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect— imperfect enough that he is palling around with terrorists who would target their own country
kinder gentler nationand
a thousand points of light.Her recent hits include
It's overjust before calling the choice of Palin
political bullshit.
The concerns raised by the Couric interviews — that Ms. Palin memorizes talking points rather than grasping issues — should not be allayed by her performance in the forgiving format of a debate.
This act would clearly put the State as arbiter of competing theologies because millions of Christians and folks of other faiths define marriage differently.
[M]ost Adventists would agree that marriage should only be between a man and a woman.
There are many people in society who practice forms of relationships that are not compatible with God’s intention at creation, including co-habitation before marriage, pornography, sexual relations outside the bounds of marriage, adultery, divorce, and more.
We trust in the grace of God to help us all live according to Biblical principles and reject the notion that any State should legislate morality.
We want to be clear that voting “no” on Prop 8 is NOT the same as endorsing same-sex marriage.